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Overunity is NOT about efficiency... - Jim Mac - 09-22-2023
Jim's thought of the hour:
I hear it again and again that we need to be super efficient to achieve OU.. I say NONSENSE....
Say I find a way to make a motor spin 10,000,000 RMP with HUGE Torque for 1/10th of a Watt.. Most think "Now just turn a generator and watch it go overunity! " Ummm. No .....
Lets just say they had a magical generator that had PERFECT 100% efficiency.. So they hook it up and measure output.. WOW they can produce 10,000 watts! So they look at the input power and it ready 10,000.1 watts.... WTH... I'm soo close..
The fact is that an output coil RECIPROCATES it's magnetic field back to the primary.. Now mater how efficient you make it- it can NEVER go overunity until that is dealt with.
To understand this- I have 2 permanent magnets. I push 1 towards the other so they repel.. Yes! I made 1 move.. But in the process, the EXACT same amount of back torque was applied to the one you pushed. You influenced 1, and that 1 reciprocated..
Now I can make a machine that uses 1,000,000 Tesla's of EMF and push that other magnet hoping that I overcome the reciprocation. But to no avail.. It still reciprocates at exact and equal value..
Now I am not saying efficiency is a bad thing but it shouldn't be the focus.. The focus should be "How to stop or lessen the reciprocation"...
I am convinced it can be done, and it will require forfeiting a good percentage of efficiency. But who cares! If I break the balance, it doesn't matter how efficient it is.. The balance is broken and can now be scaled up to produce >100% output.
RE: Overunity is NOT about efficiency... - Dr.Wlazlak - 09-22-2023
Plus Overunity is the wrong term to use for what is being talked about for over 100 percent efficiency: is that confusing?
Overunity is taking one full glass of water, pouring into another glass and filling it full
but the second glass has more volume than the first glass
NO Way - Overunity is the wrong term - the term is and impossible event that can not happen in this universe. unless it is in your dreams
I like dream money, but you can not take it with you when you wake up.
Lets stop using the term Overunity to describe something real.
Lets use a different term that is real, to describe something real.
does not matter what the term is. How about - Workable unity technology -
What this describes is using an available Energy source and the device only uses that amount of energy built into the device but runs itself and other things also.
I do not use the term Overunity I changed my term to EttCM
Energy to torque Conversion Motors
because it is - Workable unity Technology
Of course if everyone else wants to use a term that is unreal and impossible in the universe. Knock yourself out.
tom
RE: Overunity is NOT about efficiency... - Jim Mac - 09-23-2023
Well I believe Overunity and prefer that term. I really have no care what the scientific community believe and accept. if they don't want to be associated with a site like this- good riddance..
Energy is all around us. We are swimming in a vast pool of energy every moment. There is enough energy in 1 pencil to destroy the world 1000 times over.. Just Separate the pencil into atoms and split them..
We are not creating the energy, just as we are not creating the water. It has always been here.. And once we use it, is goes back into the aether to be used again someday.
Just like the water. We drink it but it eventually makes it's way back to the ground to someday be used again and again.
We do not "convert" work into energy.. We do "work" to create the pathway or conduit through which energy flows. We do work to create an imbalance..
RE: Overunity is NOT about efficiency... - Mr.Tom - 09-24-2023
Hi Jim, So you believe that you can take a glass of water and pour it into another glass of water that has more volume and fill the second glass full from the less that was in the first glass.
Because that is what Overunity means, ( unless the inventor of the term got it all wrong )
I did have him write me once, and he said " people are using the term different from his use of the term "
So maybe it does not mean what everyone thinks it means.
I never heard from him again, So we will never know for sure what his term really stands for.
I think it is a term to replace perpetual motion, Well: that is what I heard years ago from another fellow.
It seem it is all hear/say in the long run. nothing you can take to court and win.
But that is just what I heard, Mr. Bird. ps. The universe is a working unity technology with only one power unity gravity
Only One big bang.
RE: Overunity is NOT about efficiency... - Shylo - 09-24-2023
Does this constitute overunity
Put a coil close to a magnetic rotor spin the rotor at a constant rpm
Connect a capacitor with diodes at constant rpm that cap will only charge to a set value.
Now if you short the coil at peak the cap will continue to increase in value to the point where you can destroy the cap.
Been there done that.
Not sure that's considered ou
RE: Overunity is NOT about efficiency... - Jim Mac - 09-24-2023
(09-24-2023, 01:38 AM)Mr.Tom Wrote: Hi Jim, So you believe that you can take a glass of water and pour it into another glass of water that has more volume and fill the second glass full from the less that was in the first glass.No. But if the first glass of water tipped over a second glass of water, and all the water ended up in the catch cup. Then we would have two volumes of water, for the cost of tipping over one volume of water
A heat pump is overunity. It takes one unit of power, and produces three units of equivalent heat power.
In that example, the heat was already there in the ground. We found a way to siphon it out using 1/3 of the power it would cost to generate the heat.
With energy, it's all around us. We are not creating it, nor are we converting work into energy. Our machines extract energy from the existing energy pool. Just like a heat pump extracts heat from the Earth.
So yes, I do believe we could extract more existing energy than the power it takes to do the extraction.
RE: Overunity is NOT about efficiency... - Jim Mac - 09-24-2023
(09-24-2023, 04:40 AM)Shylo Wrote: Does this constitute overunity
Put a coil close to a magnetic rotor spin the rotor at a constant rpm
Connect a capacitor with diodes at constant rpm that cap will only charge to a set value.
Now if you short the coil at peak the cap will continue to increase in value to the point where you can destroy the cap.
Been there done that.
Not sure that's considered ou
I would consider it ou only if you used a capacitor with a specific amount of energy in it as the source. Let's say 10 joules. And you catch the back spike, you can show that you now have 11 joules.
But the energy must be measured in joules. Not volts.
Anything short of this proof is a speculative claim.
RE: Overunity is NOT about efficiency... - unimmortal - 02-22-2024
If the local environment has forces that are magnitudes stronger than the force we use to disrupt the equilibrium of the local environment, and given every action has an equial and opposite reaction, then we will always have more energy out than we put in, when effecting the equilibrium of the local environment.
Primarily because the reciprocal forces to re-establish equilibrium must ALWAYS be greater than the force we use to create the initial disturbance.
So what we're actually doing is creating an imbalance in a system, and exposing and harnessing this normally hidden force of energy during the process of equilibrium.
RE: Overunity is NOT about efficiency... - PhaseChange - 02-27-2024
(09-24-2023, 01:38 AM)Mr.Tom Wrote: Hi Jim, So you believe that you can take a glass of water and pour it into another glass of water that has more volume and fill the second glass full from the less that was in the first glass.
Because that is what Overunity means, ( unless the inventor of the term got it all wrong )
I did have him write me once, and he said " people are using the term different from his use of the term "
So maybe it does not mean what everyone thinks it means.
I never heard from him again, So we will never know for sure what his term really stands for.
I think it is a term to replace perpetual motion, Well: that is what I heard years ago from another fellow.
It seem it is all hear/say in the long run. nothing you can take to court and win.
But that is just what I heard, Mr. Bird. ps. The universe is a working unity technology with only one power unity gravity
Only One big bang.
No, that is not what overunity means. What you have described is the creation of mass, which is not overunity nor energy. Overunity is the ability to remove one form of energy from a system without the loss of the original form of energy that drives that system. I have many examples of how this can be achieved, and provide an excess of energy after each cycle. But in it's purest form, overunity means excess energy, not excess mass.
RE: Overunity is NOT about efficiency... - Jim Mac - 03-23-2024
(02-27-2024, 08:45 PM)PhaseChange Wrote: No, that is not what overunity means. What you have described is the creation of mass, which is not overunity nor energy. Overunity is the ability to remove one form of energy from a system without the loss of the original form of energy that drives that system. I have many examples of how this can be achieved, and provide an excess of energy after each cycle. But in it's purest form, overunity means excess energy, not excess mass.
Pondering this and consulting with AI, I question if mass can be created.
I remember seeing information about sealed terrariums that makeup a mini ecosystem. And mass was created within the closed environment as the creatures and plants grew larger. The only outside thing getting into the terrarium was sunlight (Which is not "mass" ) But the addition of this massless light triggered living processes to create additional mass.
Consulting AI- this is the answer I received:
"Yes, that's correct. In a closed terrarium, living organisms such as plants, microorganisms, and potentially small animals contribute to the creation of mass through their growth, metabolic processes, and interactions with each other and their environment."
Is it possible energy from the sun can trigger the creation of mass?