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The Magical Coil
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I'm at a point with my generator where I've joined enough dots and the bigger picture is starting to emerge.

It all starts with the gyroscope. Joseph Newman absolutely nailed it when he correlated directional force on a gyroscope with the direction of current flow from an inductor as a mechanical function. 


The significance of this is fundamental. Take a gyroscope as shown. With the rotor spinning anticlockwise (looking downward on it), rotate the gymbal clockwise. Why does it suddenly want to flip? And once flipped, you can spin it as fast as you want and it will never flip back, until you rotate the gymbal anticlockwise. Immediately the gyroscope will want to flip back. Interestingly, the faster you spin the gymble, the quicker you'll find the tipping point - but, you can rotate slowly enough (with the gyro spinning 10-12k) and not find the tipping point. There is a field that comes into being, and exists as a result of high speed rotation. Every atom in existence has the same gyroscopic field...



This field can be seen as a mechanical representation of Lenz in a single direction.

A magnet or electromagnet comprises two of these fields, because a magnetic field has both polarities at each pole (the dominant North becomes the North pole - as per Howard Johnson).

So now we better understand WHAT Lenz is. A barrier between higher and lower density energy as a result of induction.

Now to learn WHY Lenz is. 

Casual mid post disclaimer - if anything, I'm wiriting this to find any holes in what I've learnt as a result of observing. And I could well have got it all wrong.

What is the first thing that occurs when a magnet approaches a cored coil? Pressure. What does pressure do? It moves things...

After everything I've acheived with my pulse motor, I still hadn't pulled out very much current. (Having said that, I made the concious decision not to mechanically switch +550V at very close proximity to Neo magnets - emulating Adams, as I had a bad experience doing so at only +300V).

So I can do pressure.

This is where it gets more difficult to explain.

We know there are fields rotating around a gyroscope, so we know there are rotating fields around a magnet (emanating from the bloch wall) - how does a coil that has just become an electromagnet deal with these rotating fields? If you're a little confused, re-read from the top or go and play with a gyroscope for a while and get the 'feel' of them... just as much fun as magnets.

Generator lag occurs at 90 degrees from the rotor is the first clue. Why 90 degrees? 

This is where the pieces start to come together. As it is in a magnet, the two rotating fields around a coil exist to equalise anything that might be happening to the coil. Like throwing a magnet at it to induce current. So these two rotating fields - they spin counterclockwise looking down on the coil and spin opposite each other (like North and South, but rotating horizontally) As a magnet induces a coil, the pressure of the flux on the copper electrons causes a blockage of sorts as they resist the flux change - the rotating fields also don't like pressure and move 90 degrees either side of the oncoming flux pressure as they also need to be balanced. 

The magnet now has the first half of the sine wave at max. Why does it then recede? Has the magnet stopped moving? Nope. Has the magnet stopped being able to push the initial electrons forward because at the center of the coil, the magnet is now at 90 degrees to where the rotating field had moved to, and can't push it forward anymore? Yes!! Remember what Newman showed - it is all mechanical.

So what's the fix? This is where Al Hubbard (and Tesla) come in to finish. 

Putting a coil at the 90 degree mark of a primary, makes the exact same situation above happen again! Guided by Newman, and knowing that a coil induced by a field will rotate 90 degrees to equalise pressure / resist change - this is equivalent to two rotors with North facing each other and pushing away from each other - to continue the moving of the flux around the coil as the magnet passes over. So that is moving past 90 degrees to 180 degrees. I need to flip flop as the magnet is only moving in one direction, so a coil on the other side of a primary wil help that flux move the other 180 degrees around the coil.

Hubbard worked this out, and had 8 coils interacting with a central coil. Exactly the same as an alternator, whereby a constant feed is given to create a central rotating field - but in this case the field keeps moving as the surrounding coils 'mechanically' interact and constantly drive it resulting in huge current in the center as the flux is always moving. Additionally, the secondaries have a secondary winding (just like a spark plug), so that a trine of frequencies can go through a Fourier transform and become a square wave that keeps it going indefinitely. 

Much more to come...


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Hello unimmortal  and thank you very much for sharing your experiments and gained knowledge, very appreciated.

Could you please make some quick drawings that illustrate the situations that you described, quoted at the bottom? Just to make sure I and others reading this get it right.
Thanks again and happy experimenting.

"Putting a coil at the 90 degree mark of a primary, makes the exact same situation above happen again! Guided by Newman, and knowing that a coil induced by a field will rotate 90 degrees to equalise pressure / resist change - this is equivalent to two rotors with North facing each other and pushing away from each other - to continue the moving of the flux around the coil as the magnet passes over. So that is moving past 90 degrees to 180 degrees. I need to flip flop as the magnet is only moving in one direction, so a coil on the other side of a primary wil help that flux move the other 180 degrees around the coil."

Dann
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(08-26-2025, 04:25 PM)kapierenundkopieren Wrote: Hello unimmortal  and thank you very much for sharing your experiments and gained knowledge, very appreciated.

Could you please make some quick drawings that illustrate the situations that you described, quoted at the bottom? Just to make sure I and others reading this get it right.
Thanks again and happy experimenting.

Dann

Hey Dann, thanks for your interest.

I'll go you one better - attached are two pics of a setup to prove out some of my thoughts.

With a single pulse coil in the centre of 3 coils wired in series over a 3 magnet rotor, I am able to 'bump' the magnet induced 3 outer coils with a pulse from the centre coil and drive the rotor. 12V/5W, giving the rotor a gentle spin to get started.

The centre coil is 90° to the outside induced coils. The induced coils wired to a load, rotate in towards the centre coil as the coil resists change. At that point the field is bumped by the centre coil to flow further around the coil to the point where it repels the magnet.

As I am switching, I am also reversing current, which us why getting the system into a resonant state is so important.

Lots more to work through and understand. Spinning a rotor by proxy definitely surprised me.


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Thanks for your answer and pics, now I get it Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images.
What is your center and outer coils core material?

Dann
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#5
Sorry for the late reply Dann - all of my cores are just building hardware.

Okay, so Google has let the cat out of the bag. After doing some researching around parallel wound copper rings, I've added in AC phasing to the seemingly simple search.

It turns out that by phasing parallel windings, it is possible to aggregate the two phases to create a strong, consistent and uniform unidirectional flow of magnetic flux. Essentially turning AC flux into DC flux!

Google went on to say this is a technique used in plasma containment and magnetic levitation, and went on to explain how that works. I had copied the link, but after returning to it, these answers simply disappeared, being replaced with a much more dumbed down response. Even the AI part of Google search stopped showing up...

This has some pretty big implications so I am setting out to create parallel rings, that are mirrored and turned 90° to facilitate virtual magnetic rotation. Should this be achievable, which will take some time to build and get the rotating phases correct (etc, etc), two half metal spheres could be placed over it - which would become itself a virtual rotating magnetic sphere.
This also infers that output coils, placed against the magnetic flowing field induced into the metal bowls, effectively becomes its own power source.

Picture is just single bands for the 3 axis globe as I feel out this idea.


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It turns out that by phasing parallel windings, it is possible to aggregate the two phases to create a strong, consistent, and uniform unidirectional flow of magnetic flux. Essentially turning AC flux into DC flux!
 
That’s a really interesting idea, and it sounds like something that could be true if you could somehow “add” AC magnetic fluxes to get a DC result.
But let’s unpack this carefully from an electromagnetic standpoint.

What you’re describing:
You’re talking about taking two AC windings (say, on the same magnetic core), and phasing them so that their alternating magnetic fluxes somehow sum to a unidirectional (DC-like) flux — a flux that doesn’t reverse polarity but stays “one-way”.

That would be equivalent to rectifying magnetic flux, turning an alternating magnetic field into a steady magnetic field (without using diodes or magnetic biasing).

The short answer:
No, not in the way you describe.
It’s not physically possible to combine two or more AC windings, purely by phasing or wiring them differently, to create a steady unidirectional magnetic flux in a passive linear magnetic circuit.

The key reason:
In linear magnetic materials, magnetic flux is directly proportional to magnetizing current.
Any linear combination of sinusoidal (AC) currents results in another AC waveform — but never a DC component unless one of the inputs already contains DC.

Why that’s the case:
Let’s say you have two sinusoidal currents in two coils:
i1=Isin(ωt) i2=Isin(ωt+ϕ)
Then the total magnetomotive force (MMF) is proportional to:
i1+i2=2Icos(2ϕ)sin(ωt+2ϕ)
This is still a single sinusoidal function.
No matter what phase shift (ϕ) you pick, the result is just a sinusoid with some phase and amplitude adjustment
never a unidirectional or rectified waveform.
You’d need nonlinear elements (like magnetic saturation, rectifiers, or special core geometry) to generate any DC component.

But what about “rotating fields”?
If you phase windings correctly, like in a two-phase or three-phase motor stator, you can create a rotating magnetic field.
That’s a real, stable effect, but the flux at any single point in the core still alternates; it just rotates direction, not stays unidirectional.
So, while you can get directional motion or uniform amplitude in the rotating vector sense, you don’t get “DC flux”.

How DC-like magnetic bias can be made:
There are ways to get a unidirectional (DC) bias in magnetic circuits, but they require something non-sinusoidal or nonlinear:
Add DC current in one of the coils (DC bias winding)
Use half-wave or full-wave rectified current
Exploit saturation asymmetry in special cores (e.g. magnetic amplifiers)
Use permanent magnets.

These introduce an actual DC component in the magnetomotive force (MMF), which can bias the flux one way.
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Kampen,

I appreciate you participating, but please do not copy AI responses directly without specifying it is an AI response, or use the "Qoute Box" so people know it is an AI generated response.

We appreciate your personal views also, not just AI answers.

Thanks

Unimmortal, sorry to Hijack your thread!
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#8
Uni, have you watched this video? It instantly reminded me of your build...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFKVLBe-8tM
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(11-27-2025, 07:17 PM)ovun987 Wrote: Uni, have you watched this video? It instantly reminded me of your build...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFKVLBe-8tM

Thanks for thinking of me Ovun! Double magnet rotors is something I've long considered. It's a shame his meter was dodgy, I couldn't quite determine the current output. Nonetheless, this is a cool variation on axial generators.
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