Why Virtual Rotating Magnetic Fields May Be The Key

[Jim Mac]

First Basic Test Complete!  It seems to rotate just fine!  Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images.    This is a key ingredient in creating 9 phase AC.  



I will wind all the coils in the upcoming day or two and experiment with getting this rotation stronger, more even in all sections of the core, and get the pickup coils in place..

More to come!

[Jim Mac]

Much of this has been stated before. Nikola Tesla demonstrated the Egg of Columbus, which used 2 phases and created a rotating field. This can be verified in Wikipedia. The only 2 phases that can cause proper rotation is 90 degrees apart. So it's safe to say Tesla was using 90 degrees. Clemente Figuera was quoted in a newspaper that his idea came from watching Tesla's Egg of Columbus. And Figuera's setup with resistance also created 2 waves 90 degrees apart.  

He used 1 polarity (we think)  which were both180 degrees out of phase, but if you take 2  dual polarity waves that are 90 degrees out of phase and flip the bottom up (rectify it), they become 180 out of phase single Pole.  So in reality, 90 degrees full sinewaves is actually single polarity waves 180 degrees out of phase on both sides of the spectrum.

It begs the question- is 90 degrees all we need?  or is 90 degrees just the boundary line where it starts to become possible?

In my opinion, I am inclined to say that although it "may" work at 90 degrees, the more phases the better the results will be.  

Testing will be done

[Jim Mac]

Chat GPT:

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Question-  so with 2 phase virtual rotation using e sinewaves 90 degrees out of phase, it is still possible to achieve close to 50% of the time the virtual rotor can return energy to the battery?

Answer-  Yes, with a two-phase system using sinusoidal waves that are 90 degrees out of phase, you can achieve a situation where the induced voltage in the virtual rotor exceeds the source voltage for close to 50% of the rotation. This is similar to the behavior observed in a standard two-phase alternator setup.

The positive half-cycle of one of the sinusoidal waves corresponds to the period when the induced voltage in the rotor is higher than the source voltage. As the waves are 90 degrees out of phase, this occurs for about half of the rotation.

It's important to note that the precise percentage and behavior depend on the details of the waveform, the specific design of the multi-phase system, and the load conditions. Simulations or experiments with the actual system parameters would provide more accurate insights into the behavior of the virtual rotor and the time when energy can be returned to the battery.

[Jim Mac]

The AI next confirmed that more phases will return even more to the source, so more phases it is.

Got home from a midnight shift a few hours ago, and before I sleep a bit I wanted to wind a few coils to ensure I see a phase shift.  So I wound a few, randomly spaced.

   

You can see the scope shot..  So it's confirmed we are getting a time delay, so it's safe to assume the rotation is working.  Our 2 phases are indeed shifted.

The phases aren't perfect and I have a variation in amplitude because of the losses in the core.  But I have a plan!  Maybe it will work, maybe it won't..  We will find out..

I am going to slug around and rest, winding here and there, till I get this all wound up.  I got a few hours of manually winding ahead of me, but "My Will Be Done."

Till then!

[Jim Mac]

It Took All Friggin Day. And My Hands Hurt Now..

   

36 coils (85 turns each) well over 3,000 turns by hand through a stupid toroid. 

I have connection plans to make this Nine Phase AC.  I want to keep everything 1:1.  So 18 coils to rotate the field, 18 coils as 9 phase output.  

Worst part is, If It goes good, means I will we winding another one of these Treacherous Toroid's..

So be it!

[Shylo]

Nice work Jim
I'm a little confused
I thought you were going to use all the coils for rotation then insert one in the center for output?
Half for rotation half for output isn't that a one to one transformer that will suffer loses?
Also will your audio amplifier you showed in the video run this?
So many possible wiring configurations 12, 24  8, 28 6, 30.....
I don't understand the need for a second torrid just a core that fits the center with your coils on it.
Which ever way you go I'll be looking forward to your progress
Thanks

[Jim Mac]

Morning!

The objective is pretty much the same.  Higher Order Polyphase Virtual Rotation

I thought you were going to use all the coils for rotation then insert one in the center for output?

Yep! hat's the plan.  but that happens on the 2nd toroid.  This first one is aimed to produce the 9 phases that are needed to create the 9 phased rotation.  The hard part is producing 9 Phase AC. There is no commercially made circuit available that does this. 

Before I was using the 8 H-bridge setup to accomplish it, but it had it's problems.  This toroid and amplifier just replaces the circuitry and is aimed to correct the problems. So this 9 phase output will need to be fed into the actual inductor setup that does the 9 phase rotation.

Also will your audio amplifier you showed in the video run this?

For now, yes.  The main driver can be changed to something more efficient later if warranted.

I don't understand the need for a second torrid just a core that fits the center with your coils on it.

This one is only using 2 phase rotation.  This will be used to convert 2 phase rotation to 9 phase output, Then the next one will utilize that 9 phase AC to create 9 phase rotation.  

Think of a flipbook.  We make 2 pages of a man waving his hand, then we make 9 pages of the same man waving his hand. The book with 9 pages has much higher resolution. It covers more points in time.

Actual Physical rotation is akin to infinite phases covering the circular time variable span of the rotation circumference.

In a pseudo-science outlook- We can manipulate the time variable to create as many points in time as we desire within a sinewave, and when they split from the original timeline they create their own new timeline. Magnetic fields apparently transverse across all phases of the multiverse and the accumulated magnetic effects of several timelines can be united as 1- and used in any single timeline.

So to get this sucker to act like a real coil physically rotating, we need to use as many phases (or points in the timeline) as feasible (with regards to complexity of the build). 

I believe the more phases we use, the more energy returns to the source from the primary circuit.  The closer we get to infinite phases, the closer we get to replicating a rotational generator- but nothing actually moves in our timeline perspective!

[Jim Mac]

SHIT...

I got shorted coils all over...  This core is too rusted and jagged to wrap..

So I got a new plan..  LOL..  I'll update when I got some progress to done.  Time to design a new 3d print!

[Jim Mac]

Ok so once again- here is the new plan..

Using 2 of these stators with the stock windings.  So no need to re-wind.  

   

Each coil is individual for now.  I soldered extensions on each lead.  Now this stator will be covered with a 3d printed shell that will hold the 2 primary coils that will be fed with 90 degrees phase AC.

   

2 of these will be printed for the top and bottom, which will create a winding shell around the stator.  This way I can wind 2 coils around the stator, crossing in the middle.  I really like the idea of only using 2 primary coils that cross in the middle, so we successfully use both sides of each coil, and we are sure everything is lined up center.  

If it works like I plan (nothing ever really does), I hope it produces balanced rotation that induces 9 output phases.  These 9 phases will hook to an exactly identical rotor.  Thus creating High Order Polyphase Rotation. 

If all is successful, I will then print a stator shell for the 2nd rotor which I can wind pickup coils on.

[Jim Mac]

OK so I got this scheme wired and working.  Progress has been made, but it's not perfect yet.  So I will need to try another scheme.

I wrapped 300 turns on each primary, totaling 9.1 ohms each.  I wanted to keep each coil over 8 ohms because it's being powered by a speaker amplifier and speakers are usually 8 ohms. 

The phase look perfectly aligned.  And the sinewaves look superb! 

   


The only problem is the voltage potential of the 9 phases differs between phase.  This has to be because the coils nearest to the primaries are receiving more flux than the ones spaced further away from core losses.  So I have to design the primaries in a manner which will evenly space the flux of the rotating field evenly within the core.

Even though there was a pitfall, it's still a success.  I know for sure it is possible to generate polyphase AC in this manner now.