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Jim Mac's Figuera Thread
#91
(01-14-2024, 04:24 AM)Shylo Wrote: Orderly change of intensity is that not accomplished with the commutator and resistor rig
The commutator supplying a steady voltage, the resistor rig just varying the current?

The commutator does not "Supply Current".  It is just an advanced switch. 

My point was  -  Figuera says he used a "Generator" and a generator does not supply "Smooth DC Current" without the use of capacitors. And capacitors weren't available at that time.  

We need to question the nature of this "Input Current".
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#92
(01-14-2024, 05:56 AM)Classic Wrote: Slowly you walk all the way to find that self excited alternators works and many have been built and still being built for cars, you can buy one off the shelf as I said before.


Almost All properly designed generators should be able to sustain the magnetic field of the rotor using the output. That is what we are after with a solid-state version.

"Self-Excited" generators just mean they can do the same thing without an initial input of outside energy because they have some residual magnetism in the rotor core to start the process. Just like a magnet generator, no outside power needed. And when it gets up to speed, the coil in the rotor starts contributing.

A solid state version will not "Self-Excite".  It will need an initial power input to start the process. But after it is going, we aim to use the OUTPUT POWER to continue the excitation of the magnetic field.  Just as a standard car alternator does..  Once the car is started, we can remove the battery in the car and it still runs.
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#93
I was digging into AI agents knowledge to try to figure out what this Boxed Tee connection was..

   

One of the possibilities was a "Rotary Switch" , and it was the only response that could make sense.  After-all- the Out Leg feeds directly to a 2 pole rotary commutator when looking at Buforn's schematic above.

Remember what I was saying, that I am seeing Big AC swings between those 2 ground wires.  And something is going on with the grounds that we don't quite understand yet...  When I rectify the grounds, My Voltage off the rectifier DC terminals exceeds the input voltage by nice measures.  

So picture this-  At exact timing aligned with the main commutator and waves, the grounds switch.  One El-magnet ground goes to Ground, and the other goes to Hot.  So basically, it was probably a rotary bridge rectifier of the day, separating the HOT potential off the ground  

As I said earlier, I see decent power between those ground wires.
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#94
Yes, this is right in front of our faces!

Both rows of Electromagnets ground together..  But both these grounds are still varying in intensity..  If we ran the grounds through another set of Triplets, they would work the exact same as all the other triplets.  

We are paralleling 2 wires with different potentials and running them straight to ground..  

   

We absolutely need to separate the positive voltage off those individual ground wires.  One has potential Lower than the supply ground while the other has potential Higher than the source positive.  When we connect them together and bring them to ground, we kill the whole circuit..  The high and low DESTRUCT..  And it's all gone..

We need to separate the high potential and send it back to the positive while letting the low go to ground, and it needs to switch in-sync with the induction waves.  

I am trying to think how we can do this without building advanced commutators. MosFets are probably no good because it needs to be able to switch positive and negative.  And a standard FWBR won't do it either.

Hmmmmm
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#95
Look at the weird connection in Figuera's patent.....

   

Draw the missing line in and it matches Buforn's.

   

Now this statement makes sense:

Quote:As seen in the drawing the current, once that has made its function, returns to the generator where taken

"AS SEEN IN THE DRAWING"  But the drawing did not show that at all!

One ground lead will be hotter than the other at all times, switching.  This potential will exceed the input amplitude and needs to be separated at the right timing and fed back in.
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#96
Are Buforn and Figurea two different patents?
I would like to see the two side by side
Buforn is different than Figurea from what I can see
Why does Buforn show the commutator different than Figurea?
I'm assuming the circular drawing with the sixteen contact points is the commutator
Also with the resistor rig in conjunction with the commutator will vary the strength of the magnetic field in the primaries which in turn will determine output of the secondaries
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#97
(01-15-2024, 11:41 AM)Shylo Wrote: Are Buforn and Figurea two different patents?
I would like to see the two side by side
Buforn is different than Figurea from what I can see
Why does Buforn show the commutator different than Figurea?
I'm assuming the circular drawing with the sixteen contact points is the commutator
Also with the resistor rig in conjunction with the commutator will vary the strength of the magnetic field in the primaries which in turn will determine output of the secondaries

Yes it's advisable to study the patents and description as the basic premise needs to be understood first.  the commutator is indeed the same in both.

Here is Figgy's 1908 patent.  https://figueragenerator.wordpress.com/p...year-1908/

Use the Patent Link in the menu to go to Buforn's patents
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#98
Ok so Here is the PROOF the Negative gets hotter than the Input and it can be fed back in like Buforn shows!






As I said, the power we take out gets returned, but it gets returned to the Negative Wire! 

Without capitalizing on this, the whole system destroys the gain while drastically limiting the output.

Next I will get a circuit working that dissipates the Cap between cycles so the process can continue!  
Also keep in mind, when the correct Triplets are used, this effect will be amplified BIG-Time!  i think I may hookup 2 small light bulbs to dissipate the caps for now so we can see pretty lights. LOL..  But eventually we can drain it through a Boost Converter and capture the discharge also.  

Now think about it..  This current returning to the supply happens on the shrinking coil.  When it is returned to the source, at that exact moment the growing electromagnet is calling for energy
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#99
NICE, Even better and easier!

   

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Okay, so this needs to be figured out exactly what happens in this scenario.  I am in a truck for the next 10 hours so I cannot check until later tonight. But if someone has time, it would be cool to find out earlier.

I tried asking all the artificial intelligent agents, and they contradict each other and change their answer. I don't think they know the answer.

   

In this configuration where the two different potential DC sources combined to one wire, then split again to feed two light bulbs, and each light bulb connects to its own battery ground.

Do both bulbs light up? Do they light up the same brightness? Or do they light up respected too the voltage of the battery they are connected to? Or does the light bulb that grounds to the six volt battery not light up at all?

Honestly, I do not know how it's going to operate and react. But knowing this would be very revealing on the true nature of electricity and can probably add great insight to the Figuera intended operation
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