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Jim Mac's Figuera Thread
#21
Hi Jim
I agree with you about the voltage drop I've seen the same thing recycling charge between cap banks
As for your drawing connecting the two transformers
I would think the left would feed north like you show but the other side should feed the top right south
The right should feed the opposite
Not sure that makes sense the two secondaries shouldn't be tied together
I could be totally wrong just seems to make sense to me
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#22
(12-27-2023, 12:20 PM)Shylo Wrote: Hi Jim
I agree with you about the voltage drop I've seen the same thing recycling charge between cap banks
As for your drawing connecting the two transformers
I would think the left would feed north like you show but the other side should feed the top right south
The right should feed the opposite
Not sure that makes sense the two secondaries shouldn't be tied together
I could be totally wrong just seems to make sense to me

The picture doesn't show which way the windings are. And it shouldn't matter because when they're 90° out of phase, nothing changes except the leading and the lagging wave switch.

And of course the transformers need to tie together. If they didn't, it would be an open circuit, and current only flows if the circuit is closed.

The idea is to merge a polyphase wave into one sine wave.
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#23
Sorry to delete replies, but collapsing field stuff and fly back need to be placed somewhere else. This is not the topic for that

I am not forbidding discussion on these topics, just please start your own topic if it does not relate to this build log
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#24
Test #1 documentation..

2 Positive Biased waves 180 degrees apart.  Only using 1 polarity like the Figuera Way.  Input feeds 2 primaries individually... Secondary's tie together and an 8Ω resistor placed placed between the output leads.

Scope voltage measurements (Blue Trace) placed on either ends of the resistor.  Scope set to DC so we can tell polarity.
Current Probe (YELLOW Trace) also set to DC.  Placed on connection point between secondary's.

Outcome-  Near perfect Two Polarity AC Voltage output.  Also 2 Polarity Current, but not exactly even on both sides.  Bottom peak not quite as drastic as top peak.  But close.  

Shallow bottom peak of current possibly from imperfections in the system.  

   

The method I am producing the input signals is not adequate to evaluate load effects on input with this configuration.  Diodes on input source may also be contributing to shallow current bottom peak.

First conclusion-  As expected, 2 same polarity waves 180 degrees apart superimposed into 1 wave while isolated from the source, absolutely produces full 2 polarity AC output.
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#25
Next Documentation..

8 Phase square waves, ran to individual transformers, and all 8 secondary's connected in series.. And the output rectified back to DC.

Taking the Output Open Circuit Voltage Multiplied by the Short Circuit Current should give us the Maximum power potential . This is the power that would be theoretically available if the system were ideal, with no losses.

Taking the "Maximum Power Potential compared to the Input Power, The Output "Maximum Power Potential" exceeds the input by approximately 140%.

This test is running the 8 merged wave into 1 single transformer, and the secondary rectified.  

Next I will take the same readings directly from the output with no transformer and report back
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#26
OK so all 8 secondary's in series to form 1 modified sinewave, ran directly to bridge rectifier.

Input when output is shorted=  2.64 Watts  (8V @ 0.33 Amp)

Output Open Voltage=  8.27V  
Short Circuit Amps=  0.350

Maximum Power Potential= 2.8945 Watts

Results-  Maximum Power Potential of the output is 109.62% of the input like this.
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#27
WooHoo!!

I like what I am seeing....   I like it A Lot!

Take the output leads of the 8 polyphase merged wave.  Feed 1 transformer.  

Input stays the exact same on all 3 tests below

1 X-former=  35V open circuit, .073 Amps Shorted..

2 X-former in series, with output in Series.  Exact same as above.   35V open circuit, .073 Amps Shorted..

2 X-former in series, with outputs Separate.  Each rectifier now has  35V open circuit, .073 Amps Shorted..



Next I need to test paralleling the outputs of both rectifiers to see if the current doubles..  But keep in mind, this is "Potential Power" so when I put a load, it is not the same..  

The basic idea is to create a 2 part system where 1 side is opposite from the other, so that the "Lorentz reciprocity" of the transformers feed power to the side that is calling for power.  If it succeeds (which it appears so)  the induced power we extract from the system creates an equal reciprocal magnetic field that is then fed into the opposite side which is calling for power at that exact moment.  So everything we take is given back
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#28
Next Update!  And it seems HUGE....

If 8 Phase worked like it did, then so should 2 phase at 90 degrees shift..  So I whipped it together..  2 H-bridges, Arduino, and 2 transformers as the primary. that's it..

This pic is the square wave phases when viewed separated, and when I series the secondary's.

   

I took the 2 outputs and powered 1 transformer and measured the "Maximum power potential" VS the input.  I saw about 281 % Maximum Power Potential greater than the input! Meaning it is almost triple.

Then I hooked 2 transformers in series off the primary merged phase, and each of the transformers measured "maximum power potential" of over 266.39 % the input, and I have 2 of these outputs, meaning 532% over the input.  

With this hookup, adding the extra transformer caused the input to LOWER by adding the second output transformer..   The input requirement is Much Less than the 8 phase..  

I guess the added resistance of the transformers caused the input to lower a bit, and the output of individual transformer reflected this and also lowered a little compared to a 1 transformer setup.  

By adding the second, the input went down 28%  and a single transformer went down 26%.  But when we add both outputs, the efficiency of the system increased by 89% over the efficiency with 1 output transformer.  I predict this will change if I increase the input power when adding transformers..

The 90 degrees phase shift into transformers and merged creates a "rotation effect" within the transformers.  

The numbers are as follows:

Input=  0.144 Watts
Output #1 (Open Circuit Voltage / Shorted Current)  =  0.3836 Watts  10.96V X .035amp
Output #2 (Open Circuit Voltage / Shorted Current)  =  0.3836 Watts  10.96V X .035amp

Total 0.7672 Watts "Maximum Power Potential"....

Note- This does NOT reflect output power when directed to a load.  There are many more tests and variables that need to be checked.  Tomorrow is another day.
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#29
(12-29-2023, 11:31 PM)Jim Mac Wrote: If 8 Phase worked like it did, then so should 2 phase at 90 degrees shift..  So I whipped it together..  2 H-bridges, Arduino, and 2 transformers as the primary. that's it..

90 degrees phase shift into transformers and merged.

The numbers are as follows:

Input=  0.144 Watts
Output #1 (Open Circuit Voltage / Shorted Current)  =  0.3836 Watts  10.96V X .035amp
Output #2 (Open Circuit Voltage / Shorted Current)  =  0.3836 Watts  10.96V X .035amp

Total 0.7672 Watts "Maximum Power Potential"....

Note- This does NOT reflect output power when directed to a load.  There are many more tests and variables that need to be checked.  Tomorrow is another day.

Looking forward to see these results with a load connected. Excellent work, Jim!

Been following your videos for a couple months now, and I've always appreciated reading your posts on OU. 

My four-channel oscilloscope arrives next week. I am excited to get experimenting!

Thank you for sharing
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#30
(12-30-2023, 12:52 AM)ovun987 Wrote: Looking forward to see these results with a load connected. Excellent work, Jim!

Been following your videos for a couple months now, and I've always appreciated reading your posts on OU. 

My four-channel oscilloscope arrives next week. I am excited to get experimenting!

Thank you for sharing


Thanks Holmes!

I am rigging up the board to test outputs! Soon I will post data, (today)..

So let me break this down.. I often get ahead of myself as it is clear in my head, but could be confusing to the reader..

When a coil inductor is in rotation, it induces current in nearby coils. Now 1 rotating coil can induce 1 coil or 100 coils. You can keep adding output coils around the rotor till you can't squeeze anymore in.. The more coils you add around a rotor, the more output you get..

The tradeoff in a regular generator is that you are fighting the force restricting your rotation (Lenz Drag).. the more coils you add, the more you get out, but the more you need to input into the motor that is spinning the rotor..

BUT the power consumption of just the magnetic field in the rotor stays the same, regardless of how many coils you induce..

Now in this setup, we have 2 transformers as the primary that are "Rotating" the magnetic field via square waves. The merged output is equivalent to the sinewave a rotating coil would exhibit. It is a physically static setup that induces in a dynamic way. It creates a Push and Pull between the 2 transformers.

And since the output merged sinewave is isolated from the primary driving circuit, the 2 phases tie directly together. So the side that is "Pushing" is directly pushing into the side that's "Pulling" with nothing in-between.

Now when we introduce transformers connected to this "Merged Rotational Phase", the power we harvest causes a reciprocal and equal field that induces the primary. And this "reciprocal power" is pushed right into the side that is calling for energy, or "Pulling". So essentially the energy you take out of the system creates an equal amount of energy from the opposite reaction that feeds the other side, and both sides are in resonance with each other.

And just as a generator where you can utilize many many output coils to increase output, in this setup we can add many many output transformers to do the same.

And the glory of it all is that there is no "Motor" or force required to rotate the field.
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