Jim Mac's Figuera Thread

[Shylo]

I would guess as soon as you connect that circuit the 12 volts would drop and the 6 would raise
Balance to nine draining the 12 and charge the 6
Simple enough to try
But both batteries will drain the longer you leave it running

[Jim Mac]

I would guess as soon as you connect that circuit the 12 volts would drop and the 6 would raise
Balance to nine draining the 12 and charge the 6
Simple enough to try
But both batteries will drain the longer you leave it running

Well I will be trying it very soon now.  Then we will know.

I am thinking the light grounded to the 6V battery will not light up.  That's my prediction.  We will see.

[Jim Mac]

WOW..  Well I was completely wrong!

I set my power supply to 4V  and used a 12V battery as the 2nd source.  Apparently 12V and 4V can both travel through the same wire at the same time.  

The bulb connected the the 4V negative was very dim, and stayed exactly the same brightness when I connected the other bulb to the negative of the 12V source. Same with the 12V bulb.  They acted exactly the same as 2 separate circuits even though the circuits both merged into 1 hot wire then re-split out.

I have to next probe this with my meters, as this is raising some questions.  At least in my head

[Jim Mac]

Ok so Check it Out..  It blew my mind that it can do this..  



This keeps the 2 grounds completely isolated!  

Now it is possible to keep the Figuera Device El-magnet grounds isolated while paralleling the hots together to create the 1 wire input  Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images.

   

Edit-  I don't think the caps would work here, but the batteries would.  The caps probably have reverse DC blocking which does not allow positive into the negative. 

I mentioned this before that the Figuera sends positive voltage into the negative EL-magnet  leads. And Buforn specifically refers to the inductors as "Batteries" in some patents.

   

So as I believe, the goal is to make the positive voltage that returns on the negative lead of the inductors be placed in SERIES with the condensers (capacitors) so the voltages add together and can re-enter the system to the other EL-magnet set that is calling for that power at that precise time. We can not allow the grounds to bond together

[kloakez]

Hi Jim,

I hope you don't mind me asking - What is your angle at the Figuera generator? Do you think that there is something hidden in the patent, or not presented fully that is preventing the current builds to work? I am following your videos and your build log, and I think you are asking good questions that are difficult to anwser, but I seem to be missing the big picture.

Because I really like the idea of the solid-state electromagnetic generator. I believe Figuera had the generator and he wanted the world to know about it. But after doing some simulations, I am doubting that could work on electromagnetic basis alone, even if done properly. And I think the explanation of the patent is fairly straightforward, the sketch provided with the patent is just an imagery of what such generator could look like.

But the simulations just say (and there may be errors), that it cannot make more energy electromagnetically. And then I read the paper of this Julio C Gobbi, who claims that the time-varying electromagnetic field makes it possible for electrostatic electricity to be used to power devices, because there is infinite amount of that energy. And thanks to the NASA patent someone posted here earlier, we have some evidence electrostatic effects can provide work perpetually given a charge. So to me it sounds just crazy enough to work. The Figuera-Blasberg generator looks even more like it could be working on that principle.

(And feel free to move this post somewhere else, I just didn't know where exactly)

[Jim Mac]

Hello, I'm not going to put your reply in quotes because it would take up too much room. And this is a perfectly fine question.

Without trying to make this too confusing, picture how scissors work. They figuera causes one electromagnet to grow as the other one shrinks, similar to your fingers opening one end of a pair of scissors.  One side of the scissor goes up as the other side goes down.  

Now everyone assumes the grounds of these electromagnets bond together to go to a common ground of the source.   So basically it is akin to taping the blades of the scissors together, then trying to use the scissors.  

It is my angle that just as one side of the scissors is oscillating, the other side of the scissors also has to be allowed to oscillate in order to produce the effect.

The patents do not go over exactly how they accomplish this. It doesn't talk much about the source at all, and it doesn't even specifically say that the electromagnets bond together to ground. All that is left out. If it was on purpose, or if it was altered I do not know. But we absolutely do know that some patents of Buforn show an ominous square symbol with a circle in it, exactly on those paralleled ground connections. But we have no explanation of what that symbol represented.

It is my belief that symbol is where we are all messing up. Every single build I have ever seen grounds both electromagnets together on the negative side.  

So my aim is to design this device which allows the negatives to oscillate without a common bond between them.  Basically taking the tape off the blades of the scissors that is holding them together, and allowing the scissors to work as they are designed to work.

Many would say my views are convoluted, and they might be correct when they say that. But I see it clearly in my mind, and it goes much deeper than what I am stating here.  

The figure eight infinity symbol has two sides that are a mirror image of each other. And I can clearly see how a coil rotor of a generator connected to the battery source. Also forms this perfect figure. Eight infinity symbol, which allows the output power to be up to 20 times greater than the power it takes to sustain the magnetic field of the rotor.

If the aim is to create a solid state machine that induces like a generator, the same geometry has to apply.

It would literally take a book worth of writing for me to explain everything as I see it in this setup. So I am just trying to summarize the basic idea. Because let's face it, if I publish pages and pages of meandering. Thoughts and information, no one will read it , never mind understand it.

I understand. I must make this thing work as it's intended for the general masses to even consider looking into what I'm saying.  And I'm okay with that, because I think I can accomplish it.

[kloakez]

It does sound a bit convoluted, but hey, each of us have our own intuition, symbolisms and way of grasping things. And it translates to experiments which is pretty great.

I am definitely interested how your experiment turns out. Even if you tried it with a battery (as Figuera did and I haven't seen anyone else do so far), which would eliminate the ground and created a different environment for electrostatic interaction to act out, I'd be happy with that.

Thanks for the explanation.

[Jim Mac]

Okay, let's try this example.  You take two double a batteries. Each of them have 1.5 volts. Now place them in series where one positive feeds into the negative of the second. Now the voltages add together and we get 3 volts out of it.

You can research this, any positive voltage we send into a negative terminal of a battery, will add to the voltage of the battery, and a greater voltage which will be the sum of the two will come out of the positive of the battery


So this is what we need to make happen in that figuera device. one negative will have greater potential than the other at any given time.

Instead of allowing these different potentials too flow into each other to neutralize out, the goal is to separate these lines to feed the positive voltage into the negative of the source battery.  Therefore accomplishing the same thing that two batteries in series exhibits.  Where the inductors themselves become batteries, that are placed in series with the battery/s that feeds the machine.

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[Shylo]

I agree that the inductors become, not necessarily batteries but a power source
But I'm finding you can't feed that source back to the batteries
That doesn't mean it's not possible just means I haven't figured it out
I use capacitors but trying to feed them back to the source creates heat
I'm thinking that once the caps get high enough eliminate the batteries altogether
Also I didn't realize you could send two or more voltage supplies through the same wire
That video has got me thinking the one with the two light bulbs

[Jim Mac]

I agree that the inductors become, not necessarily batteries but a power source
But I'm finding you can't feed that source back to the batteries
That doesn't mean it's not possible just means I haven't figured it out
I use capacitors but trying to feed them back to the source creates heat
I'm thinking that once the caps get high enough eliminate the batteries altogether
Also I didn't realize you could send two or more voltage supplies through the same wire
That video has got me thinking the one with the two light bulbs

I think closely of the two batteries in series and how they operate. You will realize there is a bypass to feed directly to the positive with no resistance, by going through the negative.

Sounds counterintuitive I know, but the negative of the source leads directly to the positive with no counter resistance.