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Smart Drive Motor / Generator Build Log
#11
I have come to realize it is extremely difficult to find a commercially available generator or alternator that can be converted correctly into two phases 90° apart.

Even by mixing and matching rotors and stators, it also proves to be extremely difficult to find the right combination that will fit.

I seek a stator that has double the amount of coils then magnets in the rotor. So the following combinations may be acceptable.

Four coils with two magnets
Eight coils with four magnets
12 coils with six magnets
16 coils with eight magnets
Etc.

And designing a generator from scratch is possible, but could be a challenge to ensure that the sine waves are neat and correct. The dimensions and spacing of the magnets must be properly selected to ensure proper alignment with the stator coils that we will be using. So the design entails buying specific magnets to match a stator in which to make the rotor with, or designing a custom core configuration for the stator to match the rotor configuration.

I may have found a commercially available pair that will do what we seek, but I will have to wait till delivery to see if they are truly compatible. But the options for such are very slim pickings.
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#12
Lots of motors that have four magnets in them
Why not just rewind the rotor to your needs
Just wind your coil around the right amount of poles
Say 16 pole you want 8 coils every 2 poles
Just an idea
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#13
(01-23-2024, 04:46 AM)Shylo Wrote: Lots of motors that have four magnets in them
Why not just rewind the rotor to your needs
Just wind your coil around the right amount of poles
Say 16 pole you want 8 coils every 2 poles
Just an idea

Okay, if the rotor had 4 magnets, I need an 8 coil stator.  I challenge you to find a motor that uses a 4 magnet rotor with a stator core that has 8 even slots for windings.  

Regarding wrapping 2 poles for 1 coil, this leaves an air-gap between core poles. This air gap temporarily reduces the effective magnetic coupling between the magnet and the coil causing the magnetic flux linkage with the coil to vary.  The output sinewave will no longer be pure sinusoidal as the flux linkage experiences a rapid decline and subsequent rise while the magnet traverses the gap.  We basically loose out peak, thus defeating the purpose.

Furthermore, I have searched for a purchase-ready generator which is capable of producing 90 degrees outputs without the use of capacitors and electronic phase shift methods.  The design is straight forward, 2 times the amount of coils than magnets.  but yet after hours and hours of researching hundreds of motors and generators, not even 1 met these specs.  The only ones that are close to this are stepper motors, which are not ideal and come with their own limitations.

I then resorted to trying to mix and match parts by purchasing a separate rotor and stator from different models that had the correct dimensions to work together. Even then, the challenge is difficult.  I did manage to find 2 parts that "MAY" fit together but custom fabrication may be necessary. 

One can buy a rotor, but then needs to make their own stator core to match, OR one can buy a stator then make their own rotor to match. But it is challenging, as to make a multi-pole stator core that firs inside a rotor is a challenge (but doable) and making a rotor to fit precisely around a stator requires sourcing magnets of the correct dimensions and shape, which is also challenging (but doable).
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#14
The magnets in electric cooling fans on most cars have 4 magnets they are the stator and they usually have 16 pole rotor
If you rewind it using 2 poles for each coil just fill the empty hole with laminated steel from an old transformer core
Might not be ideal but it's a cheap way to test
If it looks promising then spend the money
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#15
Can you please post a link to one with these specifications, 16 coils to four magnets, nothing even needs to be modified.
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#16
Sorry Jim
I don't have any links I just get them from old cars
Ford Chev Dodge they all have them
The motors used for the cooling system mounted to the radiator
Also a lot of the starter motors have permanent magnets in them usually 6
Hope that helps
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#17
So I caught a break!  These Quad Magneto's look excellent for experimenting...


   

   

They are relatively cheap, like $25 per piece.  So A set is like $40-$50.  

There seems so be a standard size of 85mm with them.  I got 1 rotor in today and the magnets are strong!  And it fits nicely with my 3 stators I already have..  

So these seem to be able to be mixed and matched to create many different phases.  

I have two 8 coil stators, and one 12 coil stator already, so I bought 3 different magnet configuration rotors..

2 magnets all the way around
6 magnet
and 8 magnet.

Now these things are like the alternator + spark plug firing system on quads and scooters and such.  They can surely output double digit wattage at decent speeds.  

Note, we will probably have to re-wind the stators tho if you require different phases like I will be using.  but they aren't too bad to work with..

3D printing some bearing stands and mounts should not be too much of a problem.  So the printer shall be starting up tonight!
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#18
Ok so I got 2 rotors in and tested the fits with the stators.  this is what I see..

For stators I have 

1...  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0822G...UTF8&psc=1  (12 pole)
2.....  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01M36...UTF8&psc=1  (8 pole)

 For Rotors I have:

1..   https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B098NN...UTF8&psc=1  (6 magnet)
2.   https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B098NP...UTF8&psc=1  (8 magnet)

and I have this one coming tomorrow:  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074X4...UTF8&psc=1  (2 magnet)

The Fits are as follows

8 pole stator with 8 pole rotor=  Looks Like a  Perfect Fit....
8 pole stator with 6 pole rotor=  Stator does not fit inside.  No good

12 pole stator with 8 pole rotor-  Fits but questionably large gap.  It will work, but not as close as I would like.
12 pole stator with 6 pole rotor-  Scrapes..  Don't think it will work- too tight

So the 12 pole stator is slightly smaller than the 8 pole stator..  And the 6 pole rotor is smaller than the 8 pole rotor.

I do NOT believe I can make the 8 pole rotor / 8 pole stator work to make the phases I want.  I really wanted the 12 pole stator to fit with the 6 pole rotor, but unless I file the rotor down, I think it's a No-Go..

The last rotor should come tomorrow (the 2 pole rotor)..  So we will see if we have any other matches tomorrow.

I will be posting again in a few with a different way to understand what I am trying to do.  Hopefully it will click with some readers.
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#19
Ok so hear me out here...

We have Human #1..  As long as Human #1 is breathing, he can do work..  Human #1 breathes in Oxygen and Exhales Carbon Dioxide.  This human can NOT Self-Sustain because he requires to draw oxygen into his lungs from an OUTSIDE source.

Now we have Human #2.  This human is a mirror image of Human #1, meaning Human #2 Breathes in Carbon Dioxide and Exhales Oxygen.  Again- This human can NOT Self-Sustain because he requires to draw carbon dioxide into his lungs from an OUTSIDE source.

But now we take these 2 separate humans and make them into 1 human.  We connect BOTH Human's Trachea's together with 1 pipe.  Now this new Poly-Human is able to Self-Sustain with absolutely no outside sources.  Human #1 exhales carbon dioxide, which is exactly what Human #2 needs to Inhale.  And Human #2 exhales the oxygen that human #1 needs.  neither draw anything from outside the closed system, and we get the work of 2 with NO INPUT.

This completes the "INFINITY LOOP".. 

Now there are 2 factors which MUST be met.. 

1. The 2 sides MUST be mirror images. 
2.  The 2 sides MUST be phased correctly..

If both humans were inhaling at the same time, they choke out..  If both Humans are exhaling at the same time- They Choke Out..  They can only self-sustain IF one human is exhaling when the other is Inhaling..  If this "Phase Relationship" is not met, the system fails..

These dynamics are possible to achieve with Induction Coils.  They MUST BE IN THE CORRECT PHASE where 1 is growing as the other shrinks (breating in / out)..  And we can also get the mirror image of the first..

This basic example encompasses EXACTLY what I am working on.  Combining 2 separate mirror circuits into 1 circuit, phased correctly.

Now a generator's rotor already does this and can output way more than it takes to sustain the magnetic field of the rotor, but it drags down.  Now we have to use the poly phase output to create the "2nd breath" to breathe life into the generator to beat lenz.
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#20
(01-24-2024, 08:39 PM)Jim Wrote: This completes the "INFINITY LOOP".. 

Now there are 2 factors which MUST be met.. 

1. The 2 sides MUST be mirror images. 
2.  The 2 sides MUST be phased correctly..

Now a generator's rotor already does this and can output way more than it takes to sustain the magnetic field of the rotor, but it drags down.  Now we have to use the poly phase output to create the "2nd breath" to breathe life into the generator to beat lenz.

In the better built LG motor,
the Infinity Loop is 'made' by
1. attaching a 12 V car or bike battery to run the motor. It can be done with a speed controller too. This gives us 1 rotating Field.
2. un-bridging the Wires where the 3 of them are terminated and attach 2 of them to a Load like lights or a bench grinder motor. This means that the 'same' equipment is both a motor and a generator. These 2 Fields being Generated in the same space by the same equipment, creates an infinity loop around a Neutral Centre. Same as the human heart that Tesla said was a perfect machine and incorporates the 2 Rotating Magnetic Fields of The Human Body That Tesla disguised as a Mechanical Contraption when he discovered this Essential Life Design... When it does the bench grinder motor runs. Put a multimeter on it and you destroy the Fields with another source of vibrations to interfere.
The battery current goes into the motor, through the motor and on to the generator. They are connected 'virtually'. Its a Non Physical interaction. A newly created infinity loop is a Newly Created Life Form. It literally is ALIVE. When this turns on a light bulb in your head, you will be on your way to over unity.

At CERN they 'fire' charged particles in opposite directions to create 2 counter rotating magnetic Fields to try and 'open' this portal or Neutral Centre attachment to the Aether. If it works their device becomes 'alive' whilst it is turned on. Anything that manifests only does so whilst its running. Might be why they have a satanic statue outside and preform ceremonies around it during the repair season. It works in the 'same' way that Teleportation Technology tries to create 2 identical points in space at the same time. There is more to CERN than meets the eye of the average Joe.
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