Tinman's Recent Claim- Discussion and Tinker

[Jim Mac]

Here is both gears- aligned and in rotation



Next is to come up with a torque plate design...   Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images.

[unimmortal]

I'm going to live vicariously through you on this one Jim as I don't have a printer. Coming along nicely! Does it feel like there is torque potential when you spin the gears? I'm already imagining one of these devices with bigger magnets at either end of a generator pair, or setup to stack modularly.

Incidentally, how thick are the ring magnets? and are the bolts screwed in or bolted from the back?

[gyvulys666]

If this realy works by principle like u show there ,maybe then u need make additional two gears and mount them from other side of washer magnet so u utilise both POLES of the magnet and get 2x torque?

[Jim Mac]

I'm going to live vicariously through you on this one Jim as I don't have a printer. Coming along nicely! Does it feel like there is torque potential when you spin the gears? I'm already imagining one of these devices with bigger magnets at either end of a generator pair, or setup to stack modularly.

Incidentally, how thick are the ring magnets? and are the bolts screwed in or bolted from the back?

On this model, the bolts are magnetized and stick to metal. But I am not sure if they are strong enough to do what we seek. The magnets are from a microwave magnetron (1/2" thick)  I am using 3/4" long 5/16 bolts which are just screwed in for now, they sit about 1mm separation from the face of the ring magnet.   No glue was used here yet.  I made everything real tight to snap in for test purposes so I can reuse as needed.

If this realy works by principle like u show there ,maybe then u need make additional two gears and mount them from other side of washer magnet so u utilise both POLES of the magnet and get 2x torque?

That's an interesting proposal.  The original model (before Tinman) has always peaked my interest, so until the big "reveal" your way to increase the magnetism is on the table.

[Shylo]

What are these so called torque plates?
Are you referring to that metal strip between the two rotating disks?
If the strip is thick enough it will prevent the magnetic field from appearing on the other side but those thin pieces will only weaken it.
Regardless if it is thicker the rotors would just come to a dead stop.
A magnet will attract to a piece of steel and if the steel is shaped like a V it will come to rest at the part that has the greatest density of steel.
It will pass the point of max density by a few degrees but will quickly get drawn back to come to rest if it has enough momentum.
Lay a track of steel that gets wider as you progress, then have it rap around a heavy steel pipe at the end but not attached just wrapped around it but only half way put your round magnet on edge at the beginning let it go
The momentum it gains approaching the pipe will be enough to break free but only because the weight of the magnet will pull the track away from the pipe
This is the only way I've ever been able to get past the sticky point
But once the magnet releases where do you send it?

[gyvulys666]

I think Tinman could give this tech to chinese who sell stuff on aliexpress. Then this would spread like wild fire. At this moment i think story will end like the rest sad stories of inventors. Inventors will be buried along with their inventions.

[floor]

In regard to getting energy out of magnet interactions, eventually, it becomes
apparent that the neutralization of undesired forces is what is needed / becomes
the primary goal.


Either a matching of the magnitudes of two opposing forces to arrive at a net zero force...
or
Acting / moving at 90 degrees to the most direct direction of existing magnetic forces...
or
some combination of the above two.


One of the obstacles to matching / neutralizing magnetic forces, is the fact that the
attracting forces and repelling forces, do not drop off in strength at the same rate
when the distance between magnetic poles changes.


i.e.
Attracting forces are stronger then the repelling forces at near distances.
Repelling forces are stronger than attracting forces at far distances.
Of course, attraction and repulsion are each weaker
at far distances than at near distances.


One way to compensate for this, in order to balance / neutralize forces
is illustrated below.

[floor]

Notes on a monopole magnet.

[Jim Mac]

I am confident to say my design missed the mark.  I reviewed Tinman's info and I missed something very important in his video. 

A whole new operational viewpoint has emerged.  And it makes sense to me (and others).

I plan to share soon enough, just need to tweak and run some tests.

[MagnaProp]

I am very excited to see this thread and to see TinMan back at work on OUR. I am here thanks to seeing the (Chet K) OUR post that lists other forums to join as I am unfortunately not a member of that site. I was a member of the (overunity) site working in TinMan's thread to replicate his motor when the site was sadly shut down. So I am again thrilled to see his efforts revived. Jim Mac ain't no dummy so I just hope he doesn't get close enough to the answer that is scares TinMan away before he can do the reveal he has planned.

@Jim Mac, I'm not seeing much if any cogging in your (The Magnetic gears are turning) video. I would have thought there would be much more visible cogging. Does this method eliminate cogging that would be present if individual magnets were used instead of the field extending bolts?