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Tinman's Recent Claim- Discussion and Tinker
(05-30-2024, 05:56 AM)MagnaProp Wrote:
(05-28-2024, 07:31 PM)Jim Mac Wrote: "Yes, the earlier version is on another forum-or should i say, some form of resemblance of it.
Oddly enough, the newer version also made it's way there some how?"
I was wondering what site he was talking about?

Good to see you continuing to work on this.

When looking through the links referenced, there is only 1 other forum (other than OUR) where it is being discussed and attempted replication.  And you are reading the thread right now,  (or at least 1 of the threads.)
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Cool. Good to hear that it sounds like you are on the right track.

Here's another interesting development from the TM. If he can affect mass now, perhaps we will get some anti-gravity effects. Throw in some Eric Laithwaite mass transfer and we are headed to the stars, but I digress.


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Check This Arrangement Out....

I actually stopped a print partially through so I can print test pieces to try this.   Guests cannot see images in the messages. Please register at the forum by clicking here to see images.

It is going to require me to try to glue magnets and force them in the way they don't want to go.  It will be a struggle.  But I gotta try this.  It looks too good not to test

   

No gate required..  We will see (as long as I can get the 2 repelling magnets to stay in place)
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Best would be to get diametrically polarized magnets to match the standard ones.


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Test rotors are done and I already hand-tested.  Now we are getting somewhere....  It's not quite there yet, but the action is very promising..

I have them aligned like this:

   

The rotors attract in on approach, and repel out..  But the neutral zone is not dialed in yet so they start repelling before TDC.

It won't self-run like this yet.  My rotors and alignment is crude and misaligned a bit. Also my gap between rotors is large.

I will be working on tuning these rotors in and then tweaking the magnets in attempts to achieve neutralization at TDC.  But from what I see, I think it can be done with magnets alone and no gate
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(04-16-2024, 09:24 AM)GT899 Wrote: I tried a somewhat similar idea some years ago but with 3 small wheels and 1 large wheel all geared together. It was from an idea posted on youtube. They deleted their channel just a few days after they uploaded it for some reason but I had the video backed up. I gave it a go and tried to model it and printed (with very crudely designed gears I should say) and I did not have any success but others might with better designed models. Will post some screenshots. If this did have a chance of working in some way or form I may have gone wrong by gearing the main wheel to the smaller wheels where the video shows just the small wheels geared together. I tried to attach the video but not sure if it is showing.

I think I found a copy of the video you speak of:

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(06-05-2024, 11:03 PM)Jim Mac Wrote:
(04-16-2024, 09:24 AM)GT899 Wrote: I tried a somewhat similar idea some years ago but with 3 small wheels and 1 large wheel all geared together. It was from an idea posted on youtube. They deleted their channel just a few days after they uploaded it for some reason but I had the video backed up. I gave it a go and tried to model it and printed (with very crudely designed gears I should say) and I did not have any success but others might with better designed models. Will post some screenshots. If this did have a chance of working in some way or form I may have gone wrong by gearing the main wheel to the smaller wheels where the video shows just the small wheels geared together. I tried to attach the video but not sure if it is showing.

I think I found a copy of the video you speak of:

Hi Jim, nice find! Yes that's one that I saw, it is a very interesting design. Sorry I have not been on recently. I have not been able to try any ideas out, I have had all sorts of problems with my 3d printer (bought it 5 years ago!) Its a delta type and the autoleveing no longer works so might need to upgrade very soon. What kind of printer do you use?

Tinman uploaded an important video several hours ago showing quite a bit, will post the link here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EGSvgqZGNE
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(06-11-2024, 06:50 AM)GT899 Wrote: Hi Jim, nice find! Yes that's one that I saw, it is a very interesting design. Sorry I have not been on recently. I have not been able to try any ideas out, I have had all sorts of problems with my 3d printer (bought it 5 years ago!) Its a delta type and the autoleveing no longer works so might need to upgrade soon. What kind of printer do you use?

Tinman uploaded a video several hours ago will post the link here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EGSvgqZGNE

Hey boss, I just upgraded to a Ender-3 V3 KE which can print 500/ms. The thing is wicked. I did 1 mod, but still want to do a gantry support mod soon. But now I print prototypes at 400/ms and the accuracy and speed are impressive (in my view).

I watched Tinman's video and it is exactly what I have been working on. But now another problem crept in.

Regarding the video, I posted in another thread that I was thinking of printing planetary gears to mount magnets to. The idea is very similar to the video you reference
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(03-20-2024, 07:03 AM)Jim Mac Wrote:
(03-20-2024, 04:12 AM)MagnaProp Wrote: I am very excited to see this thread and to see TinMan back at work on OUR. I am here thanks to seeing the (Chet K) OUR post that lists other forums to join as I am unfortunately not a member of that site. I was a member of the (overunity) site working in TinMan's thread to replicate his motor when the site was sadly shut down. So I am again thrilled to see his efforts revived. Jim Mac ain't no dummy so I just hope he doesn't get close enough to the answer that is scares TinMan away before he can do the reveal he has planned.

@Jim Mac, I'm not seeing much if any cogging in your (The Magnetic gears are turning) video. I would have thought there would be much more visible cogging. Does this method eliminate cogging that would be present if individual magnets were used instead of the field extending bolts?

I am glad to see you here.  

I certainly do not want to scare anyone away.  I believe the claim is real and am not questioning the legitimacy of it.  As I see it, Tinman has been answering some questions, posting video hints, and leaving us a bread trail. I will try not to bother him with my meandering questions, and I won't be an annoyance to him directly.  

Now to your question. That design wasn't totally correct.  I was building based on Tinman's pictures without any operational clue.  The bolts are magnetized, but pretty weak. They do respond to an outside magnet (both attraction and repulsion) but they may not be magnetized enough for bolt to affect bolt. 

But now a new outlook popped out of the woodwork.  This new outlook uses most the same parts and effects shown in Tinman's videos, but now answers vital operational questions..  For instance, why magnetize bolts instead of just using magnets directly?  I built it without quite understanding the point on why or how the machine could self-spin..  

I'll drop this hint..  Turns out, the magnetized bolts have a much more important purpose than just creating weak magnetic field.  The setup allows you to do something that can't be done with permanent magnets.  It attacks the very nexus of how virtually any motor works.  

There is a good chance I got it wrong again, so don't take anything I say to the bank.  The bench will reveal.

(06-11-2024, 07:02 AM)Jim Mac Wrote:
(06-11-2024, 06:50 AM)GT899 Wrote: Hi Jim, nice find! Yes that's one that I saw, it is a very interesting design. Sorry I have not been on recently. I have not been able to try any ideas out, I have had all sorts of problems with my 3d printer (bought it 5 years ago!) Its a delta type and the autoleveing no longer works so might need to upgrade soon. What kind of printer do you use?

Tinman uploaded a video several hours ago will post the link here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EGSvgqZGNE

Hey boss, I just upgraded to a Ender-3 V3 KE which can print 500/ms.  The thing is wicked. I did 1 mod, but still want to do a gantry support mod soon.  But now I print prototypes at 400/ms and the accuracy and speed are impressive (in my view). 

I watched Tinman's video and it is exactly what I have been working on.  But now another problem crept in.

Regarding the video, I posted in another thread that I was thinking of printing planetary gears to mount magnets to.  The idea is very similar to the video you reference

(I watched Tinman's video and it is exactly what I have been working on. But now another problem crept in

Let me guess
You found that the mass of the opposite core on the opposite rotor, reintroduced the cogging at the cross over point?

This problem has also be solved some time ago.
I decided to make a video to share publicly, and share this portion of the motor.
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(06-11-2024, 07:02 AM)Jim Mac Wrote:
(06-11-2024, 06:50 AM)GT899 Wrote: Hi Jim, nice find! Yes that's one that I saw, it is a very interesting design. Sorry I have not been on recently. I have not been able to try any ideas out, I have had all sorts of problems with my 3d printer (bought it 5 years ago!) Its a delta type and the autoleveing no longer works so might need to upgrade soon. What kind of printer do you use?

Tinman uploaded a video several hours ago will post the link here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EGSvgqZGNE

Hey boss, I just upgraded to a Ender-3 V3 KE which can print 500/ms.  The thing is wicked. I did 1 mod, but still want to do a gantry support mod soon.  But now I print prototypes at 400/ms and the accuracy and speed are impressive (in my view). 

I watched Tinman's video and it is exactly what I have been working on.  But now another problem crept in.

Regarding the video, I posted in another thread that I was thinking of printing planetary gears to mount magnets to.  The idea is very similar to the video you reference

Wow I didn't even realise that printers today could print that fast! Mine really only did 60 to 70mm/s accurately! That is quite a step up in being able to try projects and ideas out much more quickly and efficiently. Thanks will take a look at getting this printer! I will take a look at the other thread you mentioned. Cheers!
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