Tinman's Recent Claim- Discussion and Tinker

[Jim Mac]

Over at OUR, Tinman has a claim of a self-running magnet motor at about 200 watts output. with no electronic drive coils necessary.  He is allowing 1 person to replicate it and sending out 10 pre-built machines for selected individuals to test and report back. He is dropping some hints but not divulging the machine construction at this point.

https://www.overunityresearch.com/index....#msg110849

In his post, he shows this gear-  

   

Looking through his channel. we can match this gear with one of his past experiments here



He also posted his "Monopole Magnet" video here-  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzvy1VgdXDo

I asked Tinman if his design is similar to this old design:



He commented  

Yes, some of us tried that design many years ago, and couldn't get it to work.
Oddly enough, the 1+1=3 thing occurs, which is what led me to the torque plate motor design, that was based around that effect.  OUR Forum Link

He also commented in that same thread that new new design, the Torque plates are stationary and do not move. Based on the info available, it seems we are zeroing in on the design.  We know his design uses gears, magnets, and stationary torque plate/s.  I am sure there is more to it as this design has been tried many times but never quite worked. 

But none the less, a claim like this obviously peaked my interest and my impatience got the best of me.  So I am printing a basic similar rig to play with as we await the "Big Reveal".  

Here is 1 of my gears..
   

I have some ideas I want to try and play with, but nothing to proclaim. I realize I will probably waste my time but that's OK.  The excitement of research and experimenting is worth the filament..

Once I get the gears and mounts printed, I will share the STL files here. 

Feel free to participate!

[Jim Mac]

One major difference I noticed between his gears is that Tinman's newest gear has a hollowed out center ring which his old gears did not.

   

There is probably a good reason for this alteration. What comes to mind is he may have a large metal ring washer in there. We can not see the underside, but perhaps the other side may contain the same cavity.  Could a metal ring be needed for shielding one pole of the rotor magnets?

Tinman did answer a question regarding his monopole video- LINK  which he shows metal bearings above a magnetic field. So this cavity and possible metal insertion is probably a big part of the gain mechanism.

Which is why I made my gears in 2 pieces, so I can redesign the magnet rotor parts and swap them out easily without re-printing the whole gears.

Oh and for a 3d printing hint, Soaking PLA parts in 100 proof alcohol for 15 minutes increases the wear strength of the PLA without distorting it.  So the gears should be soaked on alcohol to get a bit more life out of them, as Tinman says his only last 20 hours of operation.  But if we figure it out, the PLA gears can be replaced with metal gears, or maybe even bicycle sprockets and chains.

[Jim Mac]

Another possibility:

   

His gear could house a ring magnet from a microwave magnetron or a speaker magnet. Then the holes on the rotor are just metal rod stubs.

This would make sense based on the Video he posted, which hints to the technique.  



   


The video he shared speaks of how to make a monopole magnet.  Which may work nicely on the motor I posted to avoid the sticky spot.

[andy]

Interesting idea with the monopole.
Maybe his new motor can be driven by this principle (moving other magnet by specific way), maybe linear move.

https://streamable.com/dkqdm0

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Or maybe combination of monopol and classic like this

   

I'm just guessing of course. I look forward to Tinman's solution to be revealed.

[unimmortal]

Thanks for posting Jim.

After watching that video, I'm keen to understand the angle of the ball bearing in relation to the edge of the ring magnet. It appears to be 45°.

[Jim Mac]

I think the design is like this:

   

Speaker magnet in the middle, Bolts or metal studs in the holes to create the monopole like his video.

Make 2 of them and gear them so the magnets align.  Then a stationary torque plate between the magnets. Like this video.



I asked him in OUR and I didn't receive corrections like all the other guesses. Instead I got "Well there is no doubt about it. you're a thinker."

His gear design (with the ring magnet slot) and the video of the monopole, which he confirmed holds the key, are suggestive this is it or real close.

I do think this is the real deal.  Tinman has many years of building under his belt and gave the files for someone to replicate, and is going to send out working units.  If it was bunk, he wouldn't be doing this.

So I am re-printing using microwave magnetron ring magnets.  If we can get it to work, it is really a simple build anyone can do rather cheaply.

[floor]

comment on the previously posted, Tinman video
@ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzvy1VgdXDo...

The difficulty with this design is that.
In general, between any given two magnets...

At given, same, near distances...
Attracting magnetic forces are greater than the repelling magnetic
forces ( N to S has greater force present than has either the N to N
or S to S orientations.

At given, same, far distances...
Repelling magnetic forces are generally stronger than attracting magnetic
forces from the magnets.

IF the magnet in the middle (stator or shield magnet) were under the
influence of equal and opposite forces (repelling and attracting) it could be
inserted between or removed from between the revolving magnets, with out
effort against magnetic forces,

but also, the magnetic forces between the revolving
magnet sets would be neutral to one another while the stator magnet is between...
i.e.
One wheel would be as inclined to rotate in one direction as the other wheel would be
inclined to rotate in the opposite direction and given that their gear teeth are meshed
as in the video the net rotational force would be zero in either direction.

While the stator was in between...
the two wheels would have no magnetic forces resisting their co / opposite directions of
rotation that would occur as a result of an externally applied mechanical force.

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A mono pole as the shield magnet, either simultaniouly repelling to or attracting to the magnets
on the wheels would exibit the same changes in force upon the revolving magnets (both left and 
right wheels) as distance changes, given that the distaces are equal to one another (as the wheels
rotate in sink / are geared to one another).

The same effect could be acheived while instead...

using (EDIT a same pole facing out on each of the wheels) and a (EDIT Monopole) as the sheild / stator.

I'll bet the TinMan's claims are valid....

[Shylo]

I wonder why he tinnman says that after the 10  members receive their units that he'll be washing his hands of it.
It may have something to do with what happened with his rotary transformer years ago.
The one thing I do know is that Tinnman is one of the best at building and testing.

[kloakez]

Very intriguing! I wish I could make some replication too, but this is out of the scope of anything I was researching. But I really hope you manage, Jim!

[Jim Mac]

Well my first printed pair of gears is done.   Looks OK..

Not sure if the spacing will be right, but I made it in 2 pieces so I can just re-print the gear till I get it right..

Tests coming soon!